Travelling without flying - how I failed

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Tuesday, July 12. 2011

Travelling without flying - how I failed


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It seems you didn't look hard enough for flightless travel. :) There was another option if you had planned a bit earlier: taking the boat, 44 days cruise from Shanghai to Rome.

However I imagine it would have been very expensive and whether you'd have had better CO₂ footprint is also questionable.
#1 chithanh on 2011-07-12 14:30 (Reply)
I have indeed looked for cruisers - I didn't find this one, I think I saw a single one that would've been suitable from its route, but it was something like 4000 € and it was in the past. Cargo ships would've been another theoretical option, but they require you to have a special travel insurance you must organize several months in advance.

Still, if you have a link for the Shanghai-Rome cruiser, I'd be interested.

It's hard to find good information about carbon footprints of ships, but I think despite their use of heavy oil, you can usually still consider them a couple of times more efficient than flights.
#1.1 Hanno (Homepage) on 2011-07-12 14:50 (Reply)
I'm a PhD student from Mexico. I'm not rich (by far), although I'm a minority in the US, Canada and Europe. Certainly I'm not a minority in my country.

I mostly work with people in Spain and the US. To the later I can do the travel by bus (trains are really not an option in Mexico), but I will never do that: It's almost a day of being stuck in a bus, and then I need to cross the border in Tijuana and take *another* bus to LA (where my advisor works).

To go to Spain taking a boat is freaking insane. It's stupid.

You mean well, but I think the problem is not "air flight", but the means to fly. That can (and will) be solved.

But in the meantime, I only have four years of scholarship before finishing my PhD, and if I have the opportunity to work with people in Europe, I have to take a plane. I will take a plane.

So it's not only "a rich minority" the ones that take planes. Canada pays hundreds (maybe thousands?) of legal immigrants from Mexico and other countries (people who are really *really* poor) plane tickets so that they can go to Canada and work the land.

The problem is not flight vs. everything else: it's what vehicle is the most efficient considering cost *and* time. And to the majority, that is plane: I will not deny the ecological and sustainability problems that planes imply, but to say that is a medium for "a rich minority" is nonsense.
#2 Canek (Homepage) on 2011-07-12 14:55 (Reply)
The intention of this blog entry was mainly to explain how my travelling continued for all those who followed my previous travel posts, not a throughout analysis of aviation. Obviously, if people are payed by third parties for their flights, as in your mentioned example with the immigrants, things are different. I didn't find exact numbers, but approximately there are around 2 billion passengers per year worldwide. It's probably more common that people fly more than once in a year than the opposite, so this clearly makes a minority.

If train service is bad in your country, then things are obviously wrong on a very basic level. That flights are often the cheapest option is a big problem.

If you say:
>You mean well, but I think the problem is not "air flight",
>but the means to fly. That can (and will) be solved.
What do you mean with that? Flying can be made environmental friendly? If you know how to solve that, you probably deserve a nobel price. Currently, there's not the slightest concept in that direction. You can slightly improve efficiency, but there are physical limits to that. You cannot use airplanes with solar power. You cannot produce enough biomass in the world to power all planes - at least not if you still want people to have food.
#2.1 Hanno (Homepage) on 2011-07-12 19:20 (Reply)
I think that the fight against climate change will only really start to happen on a higher level, when oil, gas, coal are so expensive, that only for the sake of saving money, people will start to change their behavior.

As no government wants to raise energy taxes (for example kerosin tax) on it's own in a noteworthy level, the laws of the market will be the only force, that will make a difference in the long term.
#3 Richie on 2011-07-12 18:53 (Reply)
You could also get a Russian business visa, available for example from . That will last one year, though with some restrictions, and it's quite expensive.

Had one until some months ago, but didn't get around to using it. :-(
#4 Felix on 2011-07-14 23:57 (Reply)
I was aware of that possibility, but it is only possible if you are employed or run a business. This wasn't true for my girlfriend, so it was no option.
#4.1 Hanno (Homepage) on 2011-07-15 22:55 (Reply)
I got the business visa without being employed or running a business. I'm just a freelancer.

The agency where I got it from is Pul Express in Berlin. (link to their website got deleted from my last post - was in angle brackets)

But it *is* expensive, something like 350 EUR. Still OK if you use it often. Which I didn't, because I ended up in Spain instead.

Just wondering at the moment what's the cheapest way to get from Baden-Baden to Norway, to visit the Fab Lab near Lyngen (far in the north). Hitchhiking + CouchSurfing could be an option. But I'm not alone, which makes things more complicated.
#4.1.1 Felix on 2011-07-18 21:46 (Reply)

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